It has started. Last week we all went off to the Campaign for Science and Engineering at the Institute of Engineering and Technology for the debate between Lord Drayson, Dr Death, and the other guy -- that is, Baron Drayson of Kensington, the science minister; Dr Evan Harris MP, the Lib Dem science spokesman; and some other guy MP, the Tory shadow science minister (played here by Adam Afriyie). You can watch it yourself, here.
In the audience of, what?, 500?, I was one of the ten not wearing a suit. Was this really the target audience? They didn't look like scientists. They didn't dress like scientists. They couldn't possibly be scientists? Had I gone to the wrong place? But the participants open their mouths and with each opening syllable confirm that we're in for a nerdy ride.
Things kick off with the first of many deeply insightful and probing questions from the audience: "how committed are you to science?" We learn that all three are "committed to science." Great. Things very quickly turn to money, as you'd expect at a time when the physicists and astronomers are about to start loosing their jobs as the funding crisis sets in. Drayson reassures us that there have been no cuts. Just "savings found" and "enforced efficiencies". Presumably the sort of "savings found" that involve people loosing their jobs and work not getting done -- he didn't go into the details. The Tory guy promises to keep the science budget steady if elected, but goes on to make an awkward and embarrassing dodge when asked repeatedly whether the Tories would keep the science ring-fence. He does promise that the Tories will pay off science teachers' student loans in full, though. (There's no explanation for why simply paying teachers a living wage wouldn't work.)
There's talk about how important it is to measure the impact of science when handing out money. I think I drifted off for a moment while Drayson droned in politics-speak, but jerked awake as the Tory held up his iPhone as the best example of the unanticipated impact of science that he could think of. Harris's example of the surprise impact of basic science is much better -- the use of Plasmodium resistant mosquitoes to tackle malaria (if only that actually worked). The point that both Harris and Afriyie are trying to make is that attempting to measure the impact of basic scientific research in advance is impossible, and therefore the current practice of making people compete for funding based on impact is absurd. And yet Afriyie goes on to suggest that we should do it anyway as, erm, an interesting exercise?
Then there's some chat about the Nutt Sack affair. Drayson says something bland that neither defends nor condemns his colleague Alan Johnson, he of the sacking. The Tory at least manages to the unite his opponents and the audience in outraged jeers by arguing that as democratically elected representatives, ministers should be allowed to sack any scientific adviser they want on a whim. Harris gets very vocal on the topic -- we already know him, after all, as the MP most damning of Johnson and almost certainly the current parliament's greatest champion of evidence-based policy making. Asked whether we need more scientific expertise in parliament, Harris makes one of the most important points of the evening: no, we don't. That is, we don't need more parliamentarians full of obscure scientific facts. What we do need is for parliamentarians (and civil servants) to understand how science works: the scientific method, how peer review works, how statistics work and how people can make mistakes with statistics, and how to expose the people who are trying to mislead you with statistics -- the expertise to know when they can trust their advisers. You probably recognise it: it's skepticism. Evan Harris says we need to fill parliament with skeptics.
In their summing up, while Harris is still fuming about Nutt Sack, the Tory guy tells us that if there is one thing that was made clear during the evening it was that all three spokesmen were "very passionate about science." Really? Evan Harris clearly understood and cared about the science, was passionate about Libel reform and the Nutt Sack issue, and he told nerdy jokes and generally won the loudest applause from the audience. Drayson was probably passionate about science once, but any passion he still has gets lost in bland politics and management speak about "finding economies", "ring-fencing budgets", and "realising potentials". The tory guy, though? Just seems to be passing through on his way up.
The most depressing thing of all, though, is that we probably have five more months of this to sit through.
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I thought the "impact" issue was pretty poorly covered at the debate and there still seems to be confusion about it. When writing a grant proposal, we're not asked to predict whether we'll develop the world wide web from our research - we're asked to plan how you intend to engage with potential users to maximise any impact that there may be. The proposed assessment of actual impact would happen retrospectively as part of the REF (i.e. the new RAE). I've written more on impact in this blogpost.
[I've also written a report of the Scidebate in this blogpost ;)]
The iPhone is engineering, not science. It contains no new developments, merely combines existing technology with business models in a new way. It's a sad day when a "shadow science minister" doesn't know the difference.
All right, I keep hearing of this "Nutt sack" business...As an American, that is really funny terminology, being that it relates to male anatomy and is prominent in politics. Kinda like "teabagger." I guess I'll have to look it up now...
Don't tell politicians that. If they thought that scientists weren't responsible for their gadgets, they'd cut funding completely and joyfully. Remember that the average ten politicians combined have the I.Q. of roadkill and the moral compass of a starving hyena in a daycare.
I think his point would have been (I've not watched the debate yet as I'm in revision mode for exams) that the impact of the internet and cell phones, as well as their love child (in this case the iPhone). Would be pretty much impossible to predict from an impact statement, as well as the fact that the science within it is pretty amazing.
That being said if that's the best that he can offer I am a little worried about his actual interest in science.
This debate in general sounds like a more political rehash of the "blues skies ahead" debate a little while ago. Until the various ministers start making manifesto pledges I don't think there's much point talking to them, we should just keep prodding them to make pledges.
"Nutt Sack" was an incident in which the spokesman of the ACMD (advisory council on misuse of drugs) one Prof David Nutt was fired for saying that some illegal drugs (eg cannabis) are less harmful than some legal drugs (tobacco) and that there classification (A = most harmful, C= least) as class B was a political rather than evidence based decision.
you can read more about it at the bbc here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8336509.stm
Essentially though it keeps coming up because the current government is developing a habit of ignoring evidence based advice and following the popular vote.
Hope that helps
Thanks, y'all.
I might be being a little unfair on Afriyie -- I don't remember the exact context of the iPhone comment. I think the iPhone comment might have been more along the lines of showing how science can be sexy, and perhaps wasn't on the subject of how impact is impossible to anticipate in advance.
Not that that's a great amount better...
With comments like that, I wonder why they all don't run to give us more funding and sit down with us to understand our goals and needs.
I mean, it's not like the scientific community is filled with arrogant people who largely don't understand the role of politicians...
...and by the way, since when do scientists have a dress code? It seems dangerously close to statements like "if she's pretty she can't be smart".
A shame you didn't look around though, I was there, along with many other colleagues, none of us in suits.